Welcome to the For the Gospel Podcast, where we provide sound doctrine for everyday people.

I'm your host, Kosti Hinn, and I have a really exciting surprise for all of you today.

As part of our series on eschatology, which as a reminder is the study of the end times,

I sat down with my friend, my brother, and fellow Arizona pastor, Jeff Durbin,

not to debate, but to discuss eschatology in a way that we think not a lot of people do and pastors in

particular, but we should be doing this in today's church circles. We discuss unity, charity,

and the common bond that we ought to have in gospel work. And then I talked about extremes,

and we called them warts in the pre-millennial dispensational leaning camp, which would be my own theological camp.

And Jeff talked about the extremes and the warts in the post-millennial camp, which is his theological camp.

The result is going to be a conversation that we think will bless you and it will result in greater unity

and love within the body of Christ. It left our hearts so full. We're texting later in the day,

just reflecting on God's goodness and our mutual love for one another. And we believe it will do

the same for yours. And so let's jump right in to this episode with Jeff Durbin. Jeff Durbin, welcome to for the gospel, bro. Thanks, brother. I'm glad to be here. Grateful for you, man. How you doing? I'm doing well. Thanks are good. Life is busy. Ministry is amazing. And I'm good. Good. Well, I'm grateful you to take the time today. We're going to be talking about eschatology

and discussing some specific things within our own camps. You are post-millennial theonomist, right?

Yep. And you are driven, zealous, passionate. I love you. You are doing excellent work. You inspire me.

You fire me up. You minister to me, and I'm grateful.

I'm of the pre-millennial Dispy-leaning variety, a dying breed in today's world, perhaps,

certainly according to some on Twitter, who just seem to want to annihilate all of us.

Me too, brother. It comes to me, too. They're angry at you too. It makes you feel good.

That's why I just trying to, I try to keep my sanity and not want to just go to heaven now by staying off X. Stay off Twitter. Yeah. See, a rapture would be very convenient for you. I love the rapture sometimes when I'm reading X. You could believe in one. Yeah. Then it would come in handy with Twitter. So we're talking about those things.

But first, I want people who don't know you. I know a lot of our audience does, and we all love you. But share a little bit about your ministry, your life, your family, and kind of the trajectory God has you on right now. Yeah. Well, first of all, I feel the same way about you in every way. So we've had a great a great partnership and people may not even know that,

our friendship and the things we've already started to do together and you come in to preach and take a Sunday service while I was in the NICU in Wisconsin. That was a big day. That was a big day for you. Yeah, that's when I was actually getting out of the NICU, I believe, in coming. Yeah, you took over for me there and shepherded that day for me.

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