Hey, this is the moment. I'm Brian Koppelman. Thanks for listening.

I'm doing something today. I rarely do, which is having, unless guys are the lead singer and

guitarist in a rock band, I don't ever have two guess at the same time. I guess we're two comedians who make each other's cry and I'm trying to make the piece.

But I read this book that Armand Kattain and Jeff Benedict wrote about Tiger Woods and my engagement with the book was so

heavy and intense my reaction to it that I wanted to have them on plus Armin you know I'm a I've been a big admirer of

yours for a very long time well I kind of like you two right now thanks brother

well we'll see how it goes by the end of our conversation so I do want to start, you know, I don't know if you've listened to the podcast at all, but it's

rarely just about sort of like a book or a movie.

I'm very interested in process and in how and why people do what they do.

And I think in particular this book which is filtered through this joint prism,

I think it's worth understanding what that prism is.

Jeff, could you talk a little bit about how,

like because your book deals so much with a prodigy

and with the early life of someone

who became a top professional.

Can you just talk a little bit about,

biographically about yourself, about how you came to be

a writer who's doing this?

Sure.

Readers Digest version is, I'm a lawyer. I went to law school to be a lawyer to be a prosecutor.

And in my first year of law school I signed my first publishing deal which was an expose about the NFL and it was off to the races. I've been writing now for 20 plus years.

And getting to Tiger Woods, the path was basically a few years back. I started doing more biographies using the tools

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