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Today's episode is the recording of my recent event with the Temple Emanuel Stryker Center, in which I interviewed Janine

Cummins, author of American Dirt. As you may know, if you've been following my podcast and

listening along for, I don't know, a year or so, or more, it's been three years now,

I interviewed Janine over the summer with my book club for the first time, and that was really

interesting, and I got to know her thoughts and feelings a little more then, but now that it's

been over a year since the whole controversy surrounding American dirt happened, I got a chance

to really dig deep and talk to

Janine about not just the controversy, but about her writing and all the great things that people

should have been asking her from the beginning, but instead were completely blindsided and

distracted by the controversy surrounding the book. So this is a chance to hear from Janine herself what it was like to having death threats

and all the rest when her book came out because of all the drama, how she handled it,

what it was like writing American dirt to begin with, what she's working on now, how she

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