Hey everyone, I'm Jonathan Capehart and welcome to Cape Up.

Winton Marsalis is an American icon, a jazz master who is as fluent in music as he is in discussing matters of race.

In our continuing focus on Black History Month, we're revisiting our conversation with Marsalis

about a new composition inspired by civil rights icon Fannie Lou Hamer.

Hear him talk about that and his very strong views on rap music right now.

Winton, Marcellus, thank you very, very much for being on the podcast.

It's such a pleasure.

You know, I've been a fan of yours for a long time, and I'm honored to be here.

Well, okay, so everyone knows that you're a jazz man.

Is it fair to call you a race man in the classic sense?

Yes, fair.

Define it.

I think as a person who has pride in whatever their subculture or subgroup is, in this

case, black American, it doesn't mean that you're against other people, but you're

conscious of the history of your subculture and that you are, you it and you believe in it you don't mind speaking

on it you're not and the traditional sense means you are not ashamed and that you are conscious

of it and uh and of what the struggle has been and i'm i'm like that i've always talked about

racial issues and been critical on both sides and been for real about it.

I'm bringing in the hood and proud of it, no problem.

Oh, we're going to get into the critical stuff in a moment.

So talk about how jazz and race to your mind are, they're so inextricably linked?

Right.

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