Jay Dyer Implodes on the Playground; Yes, Joe, Bishop and Elder are the Same Office

Alpha and Omega Ministries

Dr. James White

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

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🗓️ 13 March 2025

⏱️ 67 minutes

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About halfway through the program we had a power spike due to a storm blowing into Phoenix, but we got it all recorded anyway. First I dealt with the amazing explosion of infantile behavior by one Jay Dyer when I dared actually treat him like an adult in challenging him to defend Nicea II in debate. You won't believe his behavior. Then we transitioned into an examination of the reality, acknowledged by all, really, that "presbuteros" and "episkopos" in the Greek New Testament refer to the very same office, a reality disputed by Joe Heschmeyer in our debate in Jonesboro. Enjoy!

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0:00.0	I'm
0:02.0	M.
0:03.0	I'm
0:04.0	Bhopal
0:05.0	I'm
0:06.0	the Well, greetings, welcome to the dividing line. We're back in the big studio. We were here on Tuesday. We did a program on Ignatius and the recensions and all sorts of fun stuff like that.
0:40.3	And that brought some interesting people out on social media, as we sort of expected that it might.
0:48.3	And so this morning I had a really, well, it's a continuing experience, actually, I guess.
1:07.2	I wanted to get information about Jay Dyer. Jay Dyer, we've mentioned before, we've responded to stuff. We've played some of his attacks on sole scripture refuted those um we've talked
1:14.1	about the fact that he's you know he was orthodox then became roman catholic then became orthodox
1:18.5	before that he was a protestant and he's been all over the place and i think at some point in the
1:23.6	not too distant past i had mentioned that it seemed seemed to me that I was seeing stuff online,
1:30.3	that he was into a lot of really odd stuff. And it's not like, that wouldn't be the first person.
1:36.3	Remember Art Sippo?
1:37.3	Remember?
1:38.3	Who could forget?
1:40.3	Richard said, who could forget?
1:43.3	I did a debate with Roman Catholic Apologist by any of Art Sippo back in Toledo, Ohio.
1:49.0	Early on, it was one of the earliest debates that I did.
1:52.0	I think it was 91, as I recall correctly.
1:56.0	And not only did he turn out to be completely imbalanced, just woohoo.
2:02.6	He'd leave.
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