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The Good Fight

Javier Cercas on How to Deal With Your Nation’s Past

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7963 Ratings

🗓️ 29 January 2022

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

Javier Cercas is one of Spain’s most distinguished novelists and a columnist at El País. His books, like Soldiers of Salamis and The Anatomy of a Moment, explore the history of modern Spain and the role of historical memory in contemporary life. In this week’s conversation, Javier Cercas and Yascha Mounk discuss Spain’s transition from dictatorship to democracy, the movement for Catalonian secession, and how countries should approach their often complicated pasts. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: podcast@persuasion.community  Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John Taylor Williams, and Brendan Ruberry Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

0:17.0

Hi, my name's Tom Ginsburg.

0:20.0

Hi, my name's Tom Ginsburg and I'm a professor of law at the University of Chicago,

0:26.0

and I recently wrote a piece for persuasion called filibuster reform is a dangerous necessity.

0:32.0

And of course, what prompted this was the discussion over the

0:34.2

last couple of weeks about whether the Democrats should get rid of the

0:37.2

filibuster in order to push through their voting rights reforms to bills, including

0:42.3

a whole package of things to make it easier to vote and that effort of course famously failed.

0:47.1

But I was trying to interject something into the debate that took a slightly broader view.

0:53.0

And of course, traditionally, we grow up learning that the

0:56.2

filibuster is part of this set of minority institutions,

0:59.8

which help to protect American democracy.

1:02.4

I have changed my view on it in recent years and I've come to see it as basically a problem.

1:08.0

And that of course is because its use is now routine instead of being an exceptional device for really important

1:15.6

policy things where the minority really wanted to have a conversation it's now

1:19.0

being used just for political obstructionism and that calls for getting rid of it.

1:24.4

Of course it's found nowhere in the Constitution, it's just a Senate rule and

1:28.0

there's nothing democratic in any small dissents about it.

1:33.6

Obviously, it's got nothing new with the majority rule,

1:35.8

that's for sure.

1:37.0

There's no reason for fidelity to the Constitution

1:40.1

to follow it or to keep it.

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