Tetragrammaton.

Tetracketal

Tetracketal.

I feel at least, why gatekeep?

Why hang on to this old secret society model when this stuff can be really useful for people?

And luckily that's worked.

And what I discovered is that people from all over the world from all different walks of life,

backgrounds, persuasions, religious backgrounds are all interested.

And that's been really exciting because I came from like the model of like, you know, this was for people who listen to coil.

You know what I mean? And now it's like, no, actually everyone is interested. How did you first

get interested? I have a very distinct memory of when I was, I think I must have been five or six,

a thought came to me that it was important to bring magic back to the world for whatever reason.

I have no idea where that thought came from or why I had that thought.

But that has, for whatever reason, despite my best efforts at times, been my singular focus from my entire life.

Tell me about the house you grew up in.

Well, I moved around a lot, but I grew up in San Diego in the 80s in Mission Hills,

which is right next to Hillcrest, which is the gay community, which at that time meant

that I grew up seeing guys dying of AIDS. But the house that I grew up in, it was on a canyon,

and I spent most of my time digging in the backyard. It had been a dance hall in the 20s where there had been a fire and all of the stuff from the fire had been like

just thrown out into the canyon in the aftermath. And so I spent my childhood digging up like these kind of old trinkets and things

from a 20s dance hall, but trying to uncover mysteries. And so that's kind of been my life sense, too.

And what was the nature of your relationship with your parents? Very good. My dad's a journalist.

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