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This is CBS, I'm the world, I'm John Bachelor.

Japan, I'm shocked to learn from Mark Montgomery and his colleagues at the foundation for the defensive democracy

that a culture I admire exceedingly having broadcast from Tokyo for a week in 2019.

Exceedingly for care, scrupulousness, engineering, feet scored the lowest of any other country in 2021

by Tren Microsaber Awareness Report.

Lower in IT security budgeting, it's flabbergasted to me, Mark, what is the explanation? Good evening to you.

Well, thank you very much for having me, John.

Next one, with this report that it looks like, is what, how much do you, of your overall IT budget, say, in a company or a government agency or whatever, entity we're looking at?

What percentage of that IT agency's budget is cyber security?

And look, it's hard to say exactly what the right level is. You can definitely see the wrong level.

And what we're seeing in the Japanese is a consistent underinvestment and a cyber security component of your IT budget, and I'll give you an example.

You expect a bank with a lot of IT action going on, a lot of the information sharing is networked and on servers that moved around.

And very susceptible to criminal activity, because there's money there.

Those companies spend 12 to 16% of an IT budget on cyber security.

If you're working in a valve manufacturing plant, it might be more, where a lot more hands-on making a valve, it might be more towards 6 to 8%.

You still have to protect a lot of those lathes and machines or have computer programs at them, but it's more around the 6 to 8%.

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