January 5, 2025 — Bryan Shickley on the Mysterious Fred Crisman

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🗓️ 4 January 2025

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Summary

Gene and cohost Tim Swartz introduce a tale about a truly weird character who hung out on the fringes of UFO research with Bryan Shickley. An animator and storyteller, is best known for Fred Crisman: Cave of the Space Nazis, a short film inspired by fan letters sent to Amazing Stories in the 1940s, during the height of the Shaver Mystery. He has interviewed the family of controversial UFO figure Fred Crisman and collaborated with Pacific Northwest historians to adapt Crisman and Shaver’s extraordinary lives into an upcoming tongue-in-cheek serialized audio drama. Crisman's life had many curious aspects. He was a key figure in the 1947 Maury Island UFO Sighting, where alleged fragments fell from a UFO. Or maybe they were just conventional pieces of metal. The story was the main focus of a book published in 1952, "The Coming of the Saucers," authored by former Amazing Stories editor Ray Palmer, and the "original" flying saucer witness, Kenneth Arnold. And did Crisman have any connections to the legends that surround the John F. Kennedy assassination? Fred Crisman: Cave of the Space Nazis can be seen at: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdvZ007W9DY Bryan's site: www.fredcrisman.com

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0:00.0	You're in the Paracast. You're in the Paracast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.
0:28.3	And now, here's Gene Steinberg.
0:32.5	I should mention, of course, that when we do the Parac cast, to keep the background noise at a minimum,
0:38.4	we use a plugin called
0:40.9	the noise. And what does
0:43.4	is it measures the background noise
0:45.4	before you do your recording
0:47.7	and then kills it. Of course, sometimes it kills my voice
0:50.9	because it believes that I am background noise.
0:54.6	Anyway, we're going to talk today about people I knew years ago and someone I never knew.
1:03.1	That's a long story.
1:05.1	Our guest is Brian Shickley.
1:07.2	Hey there, Brian, welcome to the club or welcome to the Paracast.
1:14.3	Yeah, thanks. So we're really happy to talk to you because you came up with an animation, which is, I guess, sort of based on
1:21.1	reality and sort of based on satire called Fred Christman Cave of the Space Nazis. Now, Fred Christman is a character in
1:33.1	and of itself. And I remember, for example, an old friend of mine named Floyd Murray, who
1:38.8	unfortunately is not with us, who spent years accumulating information about Fred Christman. Unfortunately, he didn't live
1:47.9	long enough to present it to everybody else. So before we start about the cast of characters
1:53.8	of this little animation, who was Fred Christman? Fred Christman, if you could say anything about
2:00.1	him, I would say he was the forced gump
2:01.7	of conspiracy theories.
2:03.8	It starts with the 2013 movie, The Moray Island Incident, locally was produced by people I worked
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