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I'm here today with Janelle Brown, who is the New York Times bestselling author of Watch Me Disappear. All we ever wanted was everything,

and this is where we live. Her latest book, Pretty Things, comes out April 21st, 2020. Her journalism has appeared in the New York Times, Vogue, L, Wired, Self, Real Simple, and many other publications. She began her career as a staff writer at Wired during the internet boom. In the 1990s, she was the editor and co-founder of Maxie in a reverent pop culture webzine.

Websene.

Can't remember how to say that. Originally from

San Francisco, Janelle graduated from UC Berkeley. She currently lives in Los Angeles with her

husband and two children. Welcome, Janelle. Thanks for coming on moms. Don't have time to read books.

I am so happy to be here. Can you please tell listeners what

Pretty Things is about? Pretty Things is about two young women. One is a con artist and the other one

is an Instagram influencer who happens to also be an heiress. It's about a con artist who basically

takes on this with this heiress and moves into her guest house with grand schemes in mind.

And then everything goes very sideways from there.

Your guide to how to rob someone based on their Instagram profile was like the most terrifying thing I think I've ever read.

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