This is the New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of WNYC Studios and the New Yorker.

This is the New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick and this is Patrick Radenke.

You know occasionally I'll be on the subway and I'll see people reading the New Yorker and there was a week when I had an article in the magazine and I saw somebody pull the magazine out of their bag and turn the pages and turn to my article.

And what I was thinking, you know, internally was like,

should I say something?

And I started sort of inching my way over.

And then just as I like reached out to tap her on the shoulder,

I saw her get to the end of the first paragraph

and flipped to the next article.

And so, like, that mortifying moment is always in my mind.

Anytime I sit down to write because the truth is, right?

But the New Yorker, we've got the privilege of publishing many of the best writers out there.

Patrick Raden-Keeffe is certainly one of them and not long ago three of our

writers got together to talk shop at the New Yorker Festival. Shop in this case is

the craft of investigative journalism, digging detective-like for information,

and then creating a truthful narrative

that sometimes has the tension and release

of a genuine thriller. The writers were Jane Mayer best known for her book

Dark Money about the billionaires Charles and David Koch. David Gran who wrote

Killers of the Flower Moon and the wager, both huge bestsellers, and Patrick, who's known for

his reporting on the Sackler Family Opioid Dynasty and his book, Say Nothing, which is about a

murder during the Trou troubles in Northern Ireland.

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