Hey, it's NPR's Book of the Day. I'm Angela Limbaugh. You ever heard one of those days when it's just like, you turn on the news and the latest COVID numbers aren't going down? And then the next piece is some awful story about income inequality or medical debt or something. And then the next piece is about the government dragging its feet on climate

change. And then on top of all of that, you've still got to get up and go to work. It can be

hard to hang on to hope sometimes, especially on that climate change front. And even with that big

UN climate meeting going on right now in Scotland, Perhaps nobody knows that more than Jane Goodall,

the groundbreaking scientist, chimpanzee expert, and animal rights activist. With co-author Douglas

Abrams, Goodall's got a new book called The Book of Hope. And what I like about today's

conversation is that Goodall isn't gushy about the reality of things. It's bad out here,

which makes hope all the more important. Here's the interview with NPR's Rachel Martin.

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your podcasts. Someone like yourself who's spent a lifetime talking about the urgent need to protect our planet,

natural habitats, build a better Earth, considering where we are at right now,

no one would blame you if you weren't hopeful at all.

And yet you are. Where does that come from?

Well, let me back off a bit by saying that if we all lose hope, we're doomed. So I've found,

I've met so many people who don't have hope, who say they feel helpless and hopeless. And I say to them,

well, that's because we're always being told, think globally, act locally. But quite honestly,

if you think globally, you're just so depressed. I mean, every day we're bombarded with bad news,

socially, politically, environmentally. But turn it

the other way around, something that you feel, I'd like to do something about this.

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