Hi, everyone. This is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher.

We're off for the holiday today, but we have something very special for you. My Jane Fonda interview on On with Kara Swisher.

We talk about how to fight for democracy and the environment when both are under attack. She breaks down her PAC's electoral strategy and explains why the voices of artists matter

and how to use action to beat back depression and despair.

And she shares a couple of secrets for living well at any age.

I was so depressed.

And then I said, fuck it.

I said, I'm going to make a difference.

It's on.

Hi, everyone.

From New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

This is on with Kara Swisher, and I'm Kara Swisher.

My guest today is legendary actor and activist Jane Fonda.

Over the past five decades, Jane has fought for peace, civil rights, indigenous rights, women's rights, and the environment, among others.

And Jane is fighting harder than ever.

She recently relaunched the committee for the First Amendment. She's been outspoken in her defense

of democracy against the threat of Trumpist authoritarianism. And her political action committee,

the Jane Fonda Climate Pack, has helped elect over 200 candidates across the country. I'm excited to talk to her because I'm exhausted

and she's not and therefore I can't be. One of the things about Jane Fonda is she was very right

during Vietnam and she's very right now. She's always been on the cutting edge of things and most

importantly, as opposed to a lot of people from Hollywood, which you feel kind of is a mile wide

and a foot deep, she really walks the talk and does do activism in a way that I think is very effective and is part of, you know, the broader culture of people in Hollywood and celebrities doing it, but she's incredibly effective.

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