This is Democracy Now, Democracy Now.org, The War, and Peace Report.

I'm Amy Goodman.

As we continue our conversation with James Ryzen, the twice-polot surprise-winning reporter

formerly with The New York Times, now with the intercept, his brand new book, The Last

Honest Man, the CIA, the FBI, the Mafia, and the Kennedys, and one Senators fight to

save democracy.

In part one of our discussion, we talked about Idaho Senator Frank Church's decision to

investigate these intelligence agencies, the CIA, the FBI, and the agency that is many

times larger than the CIA, the National Security Agency.

Jim, in part two, I want to continue talking about Lamumba and then talk about what happened

in Chile.

And if you can go more deeply into who Frank Church was, this Idaho Senator, and why he

took on for the first time ever the investigation into the U.S. intelligence community and the

regulations that came out of it.

Yeah, he was a fascinating character.

He grew up in Boise, Idaho.

He was born in 1924.

He was always considered like the smartest kid in school.

He was very unique.

He came from a family that really didn't have much distinction, but he himself became

very quickly seen as the most brilliant student in all of Boise.

He won the National Oratory Contest while he was in high school, giving a speech that

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