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Welcome to Late Night Woman's Hour with me, Emma Barnett.

Each week we bring together brilliant women to talk literally about anything they want.

Work, love, relationships, politics, sex, everything that matters and everything in between,

which matters too, including the fluffy stuff.

Who have we got round the table? Let me tell you. Writer and broadcaster, Sally Hughes, the author of

the book's Pretty Honest and most recently are Rainbow Queen. Hello to you. Hello.

And Miranda Sawyer, broadcaster and writer. She writes on music and radio for The Observer. She's also

the author of Out of Time. Welcome. Thank you very much. I'm not reading you on radio. I'm just talking to you on it. It's brilliant.

Sally, in your neck of the woods, certainly beauty online. There's a couple of YouTubers who have had an explosive feud.

Could we put it like that? Yes. You're going to have to bear with me because I had literally never heard of these two people

until a week ago, because although you say it's my neck of the woods,

it's very much a young kind of teenage audience.

You're down with the kids.

Yeah, come on.

I'm not really engaged with the world of YouTube influencers.

However, I heard about this from my children.

And in fact, it has become such a huge mainstream story because of

the sheer volume, the sheer audience size that we're talking about. So there is a vlogger in

America called Tattie Westbrook. She is 37, which is a key detail, which I'll come back to.

And then there is James Charles, who is also a YouTuber. He does makeup tutorials.

He is 19.

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