And the Hi, I'm Bill Crystal. Welcome back to Conversations. I'm very pleased to be

joined again by James Carville with whom I had a discussion, with whom I had a discussion, what, five weeks ago,

which stands up quite well, quite well, you were pretty bullish on Harris's chances and

on the convention, then after the convention I guess it slipped back to maybe an even race. So last night was the debate. We're speaking here on what is it September 11th. Where do we stand? What do you think?

Well, I, uh, Fox ran a story about the night before the debate.

I did Dan Abrams show and I said, look, I'm with you, I think I was walking into a track.

And I'd had some, I knew who was in the prep room

and they were the right people.

And I thought that she would do very well. I thought he would be typically

undisciplined and he was. I meant Laura Luma, on their plane with him.

You know, so yeah, I think it went very well.

It's hard to, you know, I was texting people last night and as you have been around democratic culture

a little bit more, you know, that's a great deal of negativity.

I mean, it's smart if you say something's wrong and I had a friend of mine who's actually very smart.

And this person text me I wish you to talk more about the middle class and I said did you see the first seven minutes of the debate?

I mean, you were laying out child tax credits

and then everything that you could.

Now, I think this person was just being,

felt like they had to be nitpicky.

And the stuff that I would get,

be a text last night was very nitpicky.

But you think, she, I mean, getting under his skin,

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