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Hi, this is Zibby Owens, and you're listening to the award-winning podcast, Moms Don't Have Time to Read Books. I'm also the host of Moms Don't Have Time to Lose Weight, and I'm the editor of the anthology, which you should run out and buy called Moms Don't Have Time to, a quarantine anthology. All proceeds of that book go to COVID-19 vaccine research. And I'm the editor-in-chief of moms don't have time to write

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Okay, now back to this amazing podcast. Dr. James Canton is the author of the Oak Papers. Dr.

Canton runs the Wild Writing MA at the University of Essex and is the author of Ancient

Wanderings and Out of Essex, reimagining a literary landscape. He was awarded his PhD by the

University of Essex and writes for the Times Literary Supplement, caught by the river and earthlines. He is a regular on British TV and radio teaching and lecturing frequently. He lives in Essex, England. Welcome, James. Thank you so much for coming on Moms. Don't have time to read books to discuss the oak papers. You're very welcome. It's nice to be here, Zibby. It really is.

Where are you zooming in from, by the way? You're in London or where are you?

For all the New Yorkers out there or the Americans, I'm actually in that little old island,

England, about an hour north-east of London, where I come from, but I've kind of now

camped out in a field for the last 20-odd years.

Not exactly, but in a really lovely kind of little English village, in a very old cottage

that was once used by farm labourers.

Yeah, really nice.

Well, that sort of jives with your whole sort of, you know, treatise on nature and books and sort of the old school way of living, if you will.

Why don't you tell listeners what the oak papers is about?

Okay, sure, so a few years ago I was working in a secondary school, in a high school, in rural Essex, where I live.

And I just decided one day that I would go and visit an 800-year-old

oak tree. And it wasn't completely out of the blue in the sense that I was, by then,

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