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🗓️ 27 July 2011
⏱️ 29 minutes
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Author James Miller puts ESPN under the microscope in his book Those Guys Have All the Fun: Inside the World of ESPN.
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0:00.0 | From KCRW in Santa Monica, this is The Treatment. |
0:14.5 | Welcome to the treatment, which you can also hear at KCRW.com. |
0:17.9 | My guest, Renaissance man James Andrew Miller, has written about several institutions |
0:23.8 | that are basically men's clubs in transition. His book on the Senate running in place, |
0:27.8 | dealt with his time there. He also did the amazing bestseller live from New York about |
0:32.2 | being in the halls of Studio 8-H for Saturday Night Live. His newest book, also written with |
0:36.3 | Tom Shales is, those guys have |
0:38.4 | all the fun to look at ESPN. Jim, first of all, thanks so much for being here. Thanks for |
0:42.6 | having me. But that's the thing that does fascinate me about these books you've done. They are |
0:45.8 | about these men's clubs. They start as being basically the province of guys who are incredibly |
0:51.3 | competitive in places that you wouldn't expect competition. |
0:57.9 | And then we started to see these shifts, certainly more so, in live from New York. |
1:02.1 | And those guys have all the fun than any of the other books. |
1:03.6 | That's amazing to me, though. |
1:04.8 | It's interesting you say that. |
1:10.2 | I hadn't really thought about that, although there were two female senators when I was working in the Senate and the time period that the book covers. |
1:13.0 | And I definitely think that at that time, the Senate still was very much a men's club. |
1:18.4 | John Belushi on Senate. |
1:20.1 | He used to say he wouldn't do sketches that were written by women. |
1:24.0 | So there was certainly difficulties for women in that, in that environment, although it's |
1:29.7 | gotten better through the years. And of course, with ESPN, over the 32-year history of ESPN, |
1:35.9 | there have been some challenging times, some brutal times, and then some better times for women. |
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