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Unholy: Two Jews on the News

Jake Sullivan on Bibi and Trump, Saudi Normalization and the Biden Era

Unholy: Two Jews on the News

Unholy Media

News, Yonit Levi, Israel, Israel Podcast, Jonathan Freedland, Middle East, Jewish, Religion & Spirituality, Jews, Society & Culture

4.7 • 680 Ratings

🗓️ 29 May 2025

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

As Israel prepares for the festival of Shavuot, the country holds its breath for news on a hostage deal that could finally bring an end to the war in Gaza. Meanwhile, airstrikes continue, and Benjamin Netanyahu openly weighs the controversial possibility of a solo Israeli strike on Iran’s nuclear sites—despite President Trump’s evident reluctance. To unpack the chaos and complexity of Trump’s Middle East strategy, Israel’s options on Iran, and intriguing new revelations about President Biden’s health, we’re joined by Jake Sullivan, former National Security Advisor under President Biden.

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0:00.0

A ceasefire and hostage deal is within reach.

0:03.4

Trump publicly hits the break on it in Yahoo's plan to attack Iran.

0:06.6

And we speak to Jake Sullivan, former national security advisor to President Biden.

0:10.5

It's unholy. I'm Unleady-Levy in Tel Aviv.

0:12.9

I'm Jonathan Friedland in London. Two Jews on the news.

0:29.6

We are going into yet another festive period.

0:34.3

Slight hint of weariness in the voice there.

0:36.2

The festival of Chavarot is nearly upon us.

0:38.2

It will come on Sunday evening. Two days and one night here. So it blocks out a big chunk of the

0:47.9

calendar. Now, I always think that Chauvelot, we'll talk about others who've expressed views on this festival on our podcast,

0:55.5

but before we get to that, I always think there's a sort of hug fatigue problem for Chavat,

1:01.8

which is it comes after you've had Pesach, which is really a blockbuster festival.

1:08.1

There's also just been before that, there's been Purim, which is, we again have talked

1:12.9

about that quite a lot. It's a rift between us, you know, you're a Pesach man, I'm a Purim person. Very much,

1:18.1

that divide. And Pyrrim, in a way, is not a full official sort of festival in the sense of, you know,

1:24.0

you're not required to refrain from work and all that.

1:33.1

Whereas Pesach has, you know, here, again, diaspora, four days of that where you are,

1:35.5

it's got sort of Shabbat status, you're not meant to work.

1:37.7

And then Chavot comes along and has two more.

1:44.5

And I just remember when I would take off those days at school, I didn't go to a Jewish school, there would be a sort of eye roll from teachers, and they would kind of go, seriously, you're really doing this again?

1:49.7

What kind of religion are you?

1:51.4

Yeah, like what is going on here?

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