Jacobin Show: Why Liberals Make Everything About Race w/ Touré Reed

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🗓️ 11 March 2021

⏱️ 148 minutes

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Every Wednesday at 6 PM ET, Jen Pan, Ariella Thornhill, and Paul Prescod host a new episode of The Jacobin Show, offering socialist perspectives on class and capitalism in the twenty-first century, the failures of liberalism, and the prospects of rebuilding a left labor movement in the US. This is an audio version of the broadcast from March 3, 2021.

Touré Reed, author of Toward Freedom: The Case Against Race Reductionism, joins the show to discuss why elites have doubled down on identity and explains how we can combat race essentialism by understanding politics through a public-good framework.

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0:00.0	Hey everyone, welcome back to the Jacobin Show. I'm Jen Pan and tonight I'm here with
0:23.4	Aurela Thornhill. Aurela, how's it going? Good. I'm very excited to talk to Torey later.
0:30.2	Likewise, for anybody who is tuning in, we're of course going to have Torey read author of
0:36.4	Toward Freedom, the case against race reductionism on in about 30 minutes. So definitely stick
0:43.0	around for that. He is going to answer a wide variety of questions from us. But before we
0:49.8	get to race reductionism, Aurela, I want to talk to you about class reductionism. Have you ever
0:57.1	been called a class reductionist? Yeah, and you know, I say this later on in my segment that
1:02.3	usually when I'm called a class reductionist, I'm also called white, which is really fun. You
1:07.8	know, race is a social construct dependent on whether you're being a class reductionist or not.
1:12.6	Right. Exactly. Yeah. How about you, Jen? Absolutely. I mean, I think, so I know for a fact that
1:21.2	Jacobin has been called, quote, white socialism pretty much ever since the beginning, even when
1:27.8	it was just Boscar and Rameke, which is objectively hilarious. They're extremely white. They're
1:32.5	extremely right. Right, white. They're also right. So that was a bit of a Freudian slip. Yeah,
1:40.7	I mean, I think, I mean, it is so interesting because and tell me if this is true for you as well.
1:46.3	Oftentimes, the charges of class reductionism or the charges of white socialism are coming from
1:52.1	people who are actually white. Yeah, that's true. It also seems like there's this kind of subtly
2:01.1	bizarre racist angle to the assumption that people of color aren't talking about economic issues
2:07.9	or class, right? Like, you know, I don't think this is where they're going with it, but there's this
2:12.5	long legacy of kind of making out people of color to be too primitive to grasp sort of like high
2:18.6	concept economics or economic rationale. And these things, of course, were born out of colonialism,
2:26.4	the idea that like some people are natural workers, right? And they also apply to certain types of
2:31.8	ethnics, but it does play into that in a really kind of cringey way that people should
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