There's this funny myth that you need to somehow know what you're doing, but people who know what they're doing don't make interesting work.

It's just as simple as that.

It's not how many people have I reached.

It's of the people that I reached.

How many of those did I move? It's of the people that I reached. So by too.

How many of those did I move?

This is Jacob Collier, and in October 2013, he uploaded this YouTube video that would take him from making videos in his bedroom to selling out arenas all over the world. He's been referred to as the Mozart of Gen Z,

and at the age of 29, has already won six Grammys. It's a massive honor to be in this room,

such a tintingabulum of musical brilliance. So thank you for having me.

So on this show, we talk a lot about the business of being a creator.

But you really can't get to the business unless you're making truly creative work that's impacting people.

And that's what this conversation with Jacob is all about.

This is one of those episodes where you're going to want to have a notebook out while you listen.

He says a lot of things that you don't want to forget and that will likely spark ideas in your own creative work.

I definitely would recommend checking out Jacob's music if you're unfamiliar with him.

We've linked some of our favorite songs in the description as well as his new album, Jesse, Volume 4.

All right, now for our conversation with Jacob Collier.

Jacob Collier, welcome to the show.

How's it going? Good to see you both.

Good to see you too.

It's going great, man. I'm really excited you're here.

I've been so excited for a long time for this.

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