I didn't really anticipate the attention, because you just, you don't think about it right.

Mainly because we didn't know what we were doing.

It couldn't have been good.

No, it wasn't.

What's your sort of general memory of it, you think of it fondly now?

What pops to mind for me the most is kind of the gentleness and the laughter.

To see such great artists move in one direction.

You see the power of rock music in full display. I'm already crying because who the? The joy. Yeah. I'm not. Yeah. You did it. Yeah. You did it. Jack, good to see you. Good to see you. Good to see you. You can see me in here. Lots to talk about. Okay. So whenever I'm going to interview someone, I try to do deep dive, learn things that I didn't know. And this one caught my eyes. So I wanted to start here because I kind of made me laugh. The Osborne's reloaded. Yes. Reloaded. A little, yeah, a blip. I was like, first of all, how did I miss the Osborne's reloaded? For quick context and correct me if I'm wrong? It only there was only one episode that aired Yes total disaster as far as TV world like I don't know. I want your opinion on that course But totally. Yeah, so it was a we shot an entire series for Fox. It was a variety show 2009 Yeah, eight nine-ish. yeah, I think so. 2009, yeah. And it was very short-lived because ad sales, like, they were like, this is horrible, you can't do that. It was like too shocking. And they pulled it. And I was like, wait, what? The same network that has like family guy,

that's making like Hilla Drokes.

And you know, and it was because we did a, on the first episode, we did this like blind date thing where we had a guy blindfolded and something, I forget what the context was, but he ended up having to make out with like an 80 year old woman. And he didn't know, blindfolded. And they found it just too, you know, too hot for TV.

So it was produced by the same company as American Idol. Yes. American Idol was your lead in. So it was obviously set up for success. The debut was only 35 minutes, not 60. Yep. Sketches stunts, hidden camera stuff, music, celeb cameos. Yes. many of the tv affiliates refused air uh one credit call it the worst variety show ever episode one uh uh it had your father uh uh uh is he dancing in a leotard uh quite possibly yet uh uh, another critic called it Must Flea TV. You also had a thing where a couple was pressured to marry on the spot, which they did. Yep. I remember that. And then there was some skid about Ozzy and Kelly working a fast food job. Yeah. Which, that sounds fun. Yeah. Yeah. It was like this dine-a-down-by-the- the airport. Yeah. It was fun. Yeah, it was like this.

We and my dad like flung a piece of bread at my mom, and it poked her in the eye and like burst her out. Like I guess whatever the sack is in your eye and she was like a whole thing. Okay, so yeah. I want to bring it back. I think all the episodes now are online. somebody said but I hadn't gone looking for it.

Sorry, you're not missing anything.

Yeah, it sounded like an interesting car crash. It totally was an interesting car crash. Yeah, it was fun to do, but yeah, glad it never went. I guess it's easy to start with the Osborne's, the successful version of the show, because it sort of brought you and the family the public consciousness away and many ways people got to know your mom and all that. I know originally was pitched as a three week thing and was supposed to be short term. And we don't have to go deep into it because the episodes are all there. People want to watch. But what's your sort of general memory of it? Do you think of it fondly now or in hindsight? I think of it fondly. In the moment, I can remember being really... I mean, I was 15 when we started filming. And so, I don't care who you are. 15 is not a very fun age. Especially early online, people were probably saying stuff about you. Yeah. And this was in like the, you know, blogging days and all that, like,

before social media.

And I just didn't, I wasn't, I didn't really anticipate the, or the attention, because you just, you don't think about it, right? Mainly because we didn't know what we were doing. We were at home, people were filming us and you're like, Oh, well, is this you don't know what's gonna make it and what's not?

Well, plus the editing makes things seem worse, you're bad.

Exactly. Yeah.

And so when... filming us and you're like, oh, well, is this? You don't know what's gonna make it and what's not.

Well, plus the editing makes things seem worse, you're bad. Exactly, yeah. And so when the show blew up, literally overnight, I really resented it for, I was like, this is terrible, why did we do this? And I was like, smoking weed and drinking, and I didn't wanna get caught and his camera's everywhere. And so I had a lot of struggles with that.

When I interviewed your mom, she did say that she regret to do in the show and she said because of what it did to my family. But now that you're a bit older, I mean you can see it's certainly had a lot to do with your father's continued success. She'll sort of introduce him to a whole new crowd. And I think in many ways, let him to be more of a cross-cultural icon beyond music. So in your estimation, looking back, generally positive. Yeah. Heinsight, very positive. Because it's kind of, we were a part of something which changed the way people, you know, made entertainment. Yes. And I mean, it's kind of funny because now it's very fondly remembered and considered a groundbreaking show. Yeah. But at the time there was a lot of debate about, this is too much and what was fake. Exactly. It was real and all that type of stuff. Yeah. And so I think for me, when I'm like, oh, you know, it's kind of, uh,

I have flattering to a degree because I was a part of something which kind of helped, you know, it was a contributing show and helping change TV. Yeah. And so that's, you know, I don't, I don't kind of poo poo that. Yeah. What attracted me to kind of set up talking about it was that you've kind of gone in your own life in television, you've done a lot of producing and hosting and when did you that kind of become your own thing? I learnt really early on when doing the Osborne's, I'm like, oh, when you're on camera, you're kind of a, you're just a talking box tied Like, you don't have any control. You don't have any, like, say, they're kind of like, this is what we're doing. You know, we're paying you, do it. Yeah. And I was like, I want to have control. So it was born more out of, I think me just wanting to have a bit more say in what I was participating in. Yeah. And so, when the Osborne's ended, I started working a lot in the UK and I did this like travel adventure show over there and really learned about what it takes to produce a show, kind of souped to nuts. And I just enjoyed it, you know, I enjoyed the creative outlet. Was it originally a thing where it's like, well, you've got this momentum for the TV show, you could pursue this as a way to make some money or what was your original sort of entrain to television past the original series? I think it was, I was just getting calls and different opportunities presented to me after the show ended and I was like, well, because my plan was before the Osborne's, I was gonna, I wanted to join the army. So, like I was gonna finish out high school because I was in, I was in ninth or 10th grade when 9-11 happened and I was all like, now I'm going to the army. And that was kind of my plan. I was working at Epic Records as a talent scout but I just was like, yeah, you know what,

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