Species.

Species.

But it makes a lot of sense that, especially when you think about how traditional

healers and shamans have worked, they haven't felt that separation from nature

like Western medics do.

And so to rely on the knowledge of other species actually makes a lot of sense.

So it's probably a lot more than we know at the moment.

How? Hi, I'm Elizabeth Novogratz.

This is Species Unite.

This conversation is with Dr. Yop DeRood.

Yop is a biology professor at Emory University, and he is the author of an astonishing new book. It's called Doctors by Nature, How Ants, Apes, and Other Animals heal themselves.

I say astonishing, mostly because I had no idea about so much that he talks about in his book.

He tells the stories of how animals across nature from bumblebees to chimpanzees, how they

use plants and natural substances to treat infections, to ward off parasites, to self-medicate.

And there's so much that we have learned from them, and there's so much more that we still can. It's very nice to meet you. It's nice to have you here. Let's talk about your book.

Doctors by Nature, how ants, apes, and other animals heal themselves. It's all things I never really thought about and never even occurred to me that how much

animals use medicine and how many doctors there are like roaming around in nature. And so thank you

for putting it out there. No, and I'm happy you said that because that was really the goal of the book

was really tried to show people that,

hey, animals do all these fascinating things. And in some ways, it's not that surprising. You think

about the fact that we are animals too, right? And so I think humans like to be very special,

especially, you know, humans in the Western world, we like to be unique and special and different from nature. But at the

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