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Species Unite

Andrew Stein: Living with Lions

Species Unite

elizabeth novogratz

Society & Culture, Philosophy

5911 Ratings

🗓️ 10 April 2025

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

“If we march into that village and we start trying to persecute people for using poison, something that's very illegal, nobody's going to talk to us. We're not going to find out where the poison came from. We're not going to be able to shut anything down. We should take the approach that people are using poison because they're desperate, because they see no other alternative.” – Andrew Stein

 

Andrew Stein is a wildlife ecologist who spent the past 25 years studying human carnivore conflict from African wild dogs and lions in Kenya and Botswana to leopards and hyenas in Namibia. His work has long focused on finding ways for people and predators to coexist. He is the founder of CLAWS, an organization based in Botswana that's working at the intersection of cutting-edge wildlife research and community driven conservation.

Since its start in 2014 and official launch as an NGO in 2020, CLAWS has been pioneering science-based, tech-forward strategies to reduce conflict between people and carnivores. By collaborating closely with local communities, especially traditional cattle herders, CLAWS supports both species conservation and rural livelihoods—making coexistence not just possible, but sustainable.

 

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0:00.0

Species.

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Species.

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Unite.

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If we march into that village and we start trying to persecute people for using poison, something that's very illegal.

0:22.9

But nobody's going to talk to us.

0:25.6

We're not going to find out where the poison came from.

0:27.4

We're not going to be able to shut anything down.

0:32.3

We should take the approach that people are using poison because they're desperate,

0:34.4

because they see no other alternative.

0:45.2

Hi, I'm Elizabeth Novogratz.

0:46.8

This is Species Unite.

0:53.2

This conversation is with Andrew Stein.

0:59.2

Andrew is a wildlife ecologist who spent the past 25 years studying human carnivore conflict from African wild dogs and lions in Kenya and Botswana to leopards and hyenas in Namibia.

1:06.3

His work has long focused on finding ways for people and predators to coexist. He is the founder of

1:13.6

Klaus, an organization based in Botswana that's working at the intersection of cutting-edge

1:18.6

wildlife research and community-driven conservation. Hi, Andrew.

1:34.5

Hi, nice to see you.

1:36.2

Nice to see you.

1:37.3

Thank you for being here.

1:38.6

I know you just got off a plane.

1:40.7

Yes.

1:41.7

So it's really nice of you to stop through. I'm excited for the opportunity to kind of share

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