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Impolitic with John Heilemann

J. Michael Luttig: Trump’s Plan to Be President for Life Is No Joke

Impolitic with John Heilemann

Audacy | Puck

News, Politics

4.84.2K Ratings

🗓️ 31 October 2025

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

John welcomes conservative legal eminence and former U.S. Court of Appeals judge J. Michael Luttig to discuss his new piece in The Atlantic about the prospect of Donald Trump remaining in office after his second term ends. Luttig argues that Trump isn’t joking or trolling when he floats the notion of running for president again in 2028, despite the Constitution’s clear proscription against him doing so; that in the past nine months he has already amassed enough executive power to “subvert or even cancel both the midterms next year and the 2028 election;” and that we dismiss or ignore those possibilities “at our peril.” To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Aloha and Namaste, everyone, and welcome to Impolitic with John Hyalman, a puck and

0:10.5

Odyssey Joint, featuring lively, in-depth conversations with the people who cruise the quarters

0:15.2

of power in America, sculpting and shaping the ebb and flow of our politics and culture.

0:21.0

Just about a week ago, Donald Trump's 2016 campaign Spangali,

0:26.5

first-term White House chief strategist and former resident of the federal correctional institution

0:32.0

in Danbury, Connecticut, Steve Bannon went on a podcast from The Economist and repeated

0:37.1

for like the triple umpteenth time this

0:41.7

year that the second Trump term wouldn't be the last Trump term that the man that Bannon calls

0:48.9

a quote vehicle of divine providence would remain in the White House past 2028, basically for however long it

0:56.9

might take for the MAGA movement to, quote, finish what we started, though by what means

1:03.9

methods or machinations, Bannon refused to say. A few days later on Air Force One, as President Trump was flying to Japan,

1:13.9

reporters seized on Bannon's comments as an excuse to ask Trump about the topic of him seeking a

1:18.7

third term. And in the course of a typically rambling and self-pleasureing response,

1:23.6

Trump said something almost as unsurprising as what Bannon had coughed up to the economist.

1:28.6

Quote, I would love to do it.

1:31.5

Now, the fact that this answer wasn't surprising does not mean it wasn't news, because while

1:36.1

Trump has teased the idea of him running again in 28, despite the fact that it's clearly

1:41.1

and abundantly at odds with the 22nd Amendment of the U.S.

1:49.6

Constitution, he is usually a bit more subtle about it. Like, you know, he sends Trump 2028 hats to Gavin Newsom, for instance. Or he takes those same hats and puts them on the

1:55.6

resolute desk so that they be photographed during an Oval Office meeting with Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries.

2:02.0

Ha, ha, ha.

2:03.2

Now, those kinds of gestures have made it easy for elected Republicans to deflect questions about

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