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Bad Gays

J. Edgar Hoover

Bad Gays

Huw Lemmey & Ben Miller

History

4.5 • 934 Ratings

🗓️ 27 November 2019

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

The other polestar of human evil. "Justice is incidental to law and order." Johnny and Clyde.  ----more---- SOURCES:   Johnson, David K. The Lavender Scare: The Cold War Persecution of Gays and Lesbians in the Federal Government. Chicago: The University of Chicago Press, 2004. Medsger, Betty. The Burglary: The Discovery of J. Edgar Hoover's Secret FBI. New York: Knopf, 2014. Simkin, John. "Clyde Tolson." Spartacus Educational: https://spartacus-educational.com/USAtolson.htm Summers, Anthony. Official and Confidential: The Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover. New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1993.  Our intro music is Arpeggia Colorix by Yann Terrien, downloaded from WFMU's Free Music Archive and distributed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Our outro music is by DJ Michaeloswell Graphicsdesigner.

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Gladgays, a podcast all about evil and complicated gay people through history.

0:21.6

My name's Hugh Lemmy.

0:22.7

I'm a writer and author.

0:23.9

And I'm Ben Miller, a writer, researcher, and member of the board of the Gay Museum in Berlin.

0:28.9

Last week, we looked at Pierskaverston, a medieval favorite of King Edward II,

0:35.5

who tried to connive his way to the top of the courts, but did it so badly,

0:40.0

he ended up dead.

0:42.0

Ben, who are we talking about this week?

0:45.3

Fasten your seatbelts, Hugh. This one's going to be a bumpy ride.

0:48.7

I'm going to open with a quote from the historian Robert Cairo, who said, quote, there's an old saying,

0:55.7

all power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, but the more I've learned,

1:00.2

the less I believe it. Power doesn't always corrupt. What power always does is reveal.

1:05.9

When a guy gets into a position where he doesn't have to worry anymore, then you see what he wanted

1:10.0

to do all along,

1:11.3

end quote. Who does that make you think of in the universe of world historical bad gays?

1:19.6

I can think of a few people, but I'm not going to have to tell me.

1:23.8

Well, today we are going to be talking about J. Edgar Hoover.

1:28.4

Oh, my God.

1:29.4

Jay Edgar Hoover, who was the director of the FBI from 1924 to 1972, and who started his career in public service in the mailroom of the Justice Department and rose to be the United States national champion

1:46.7

against its foes, both internal and external. First, the Nazis, and then the communists,

1:53.6

and everyone who wanted to voice political dissent. Jay Edgar Hoover, who once said, and I quote,

1:59.8

justice is incidental to law and order.

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