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That's audible.combe.ukeslustwondery. Welcome to the Gratitude List, the bonus podcast here on How Do You Cope?

And I'm delighted to say that I'm still joined by Izzy Judd.

And we talked a bit about mindfulness and meditation.

And I was thinking just then that gratitude for me is a sort of form of meditation.

It's a part of my day when I engage with positivity and sort of give thanks to things in my life and people in my life.

And I wonder what shape is gratitude in your world?

I think gratitude is quite a hard word, isn't it, in terms of like the pressure it puts on us

to be grateful.

And so I was thinking about perhaps how I have sort of reframed gratitude into glimmers.

And I guess if you kind of imagine your day like a like a, like a, with a sieve and there's these things that go through that you really have really not been great or you've really found difficult or, you know, whatever it might be.

Or you've, you've dealt with something in a way you wish you dealt with it slightly better

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