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Though I just told the story, assuming everyone had heard about it, everyone knew Ted Williams was there, Johnny Pesky and Johnny Sane and Bear Bryant.

Well, after the service, people started coming up to me and we had done a memorabilia table with all the pictures

they didn't know about it. That's what started it. This is your host, Scott Bertram. Welcome to the

Radio Free Hillsdale Hour, part of the Hillsdale College Podcast Network. That was Anne R. Keene, author of

The Cloudbuster Nine, the untold story of Ted Williams and the baseball team that helped win World War II.

We'll talk with Anne a little bit later on in today's program about the book and the art of biography.

First, we're joined now by Dr. Ivan Pongrassick. He is Professor of Economics and William E. Hibbs, Ludwig von Mises Chair of Economics at Hillsdale College.

Dr. Pongrassick, thanks so much for joining us.

It's my pleasure, Scott. Thank you very much for having me.

You are also one of our instructors.

One of the main figures in the new online documentary course, Marxism, Socialism and Communism, that is available now for everyone at Hillsdale.edu slash new course.

You can sign up and find all the lectures available now there, Hillsdale.edu slash new course.

As we begin, I think it's important for listeners to know a bit of your

backstory which is really interesting we could do a whole show on you maybe one day how would

you describe though the first 14 years of your life I it was fairly unique, especially from the American perspective,

but I was born and raised in former Yugoslavia,

a country that has not existed for about 30 years now.

And Yugoslavia is probably, unfortunately,

mostly forgotten at this point, but most Americans.

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