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National popular vote does not really consider and just chooses to ignore the fact that there are different ways of doing elections in different states.

Most of them are, you know, sort of minor.

They've different recount rules, for example, or different ways, you of them are, you know, sort of minor. They've different

recount rules, for example, or different ways, you know, that voters are allowed to early vote.

This is your host, Scott Bertram. Welcome to the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour, part of the Hillsdale

College Podcast Network. That was Trent England, founder and executive director of Save Our States.

We'll talk with Trent in-depth later on about conflicts emerging between ranked choice voting

and the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, two ideas about changing elections, finding traction on the left. First, we're joined by Dr.

Joseph Postel, Associate Professor of Politics here at Hillsdale College. Dr. Postel, thanks for

joining us. Thanks for having me on the show. We talked a couple of weeks ago about the history of

and the development of political conventions. Since then, this 2024 race has gotten a little more interesting,

and the Democratic National Convention also had the potential to be extremely interesting,

though at this point, Kamala Harris has secured the Democratic nomination

via a virtual vote with delegates a couple of weeks ago.

So the 2024 Democratic National Convention might not

appear on a future edition of this list. So if we go back through some of the most important

consequential conventions through the years, I think we start in 1860, probably, where we have

a split on the Democratic side and we have Lincoln on the Republican side.

This is one year when both parties have very consequential conventions. Yeah, that's right. So the,

you mentioned Chicago when you sort of introduced the subject here today. And it's interesting that Chicago will be a

recurring theme in the history of major nomination conventions. And 1860 features one party holding

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