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#Italy: #Tunisia: Meloni and van der Leyen confront the Tunisian exodus. Judy Dempsey, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Editor-in-Chief: Strategic Europe, in Berlin.

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🗓️ 14 June 2023

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#Italy: #Tunisia: Meloni and van der Leyen confront the Tunisian exodus. Judy Dempsey, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Editor-in-Chief: Strategic Europe, in Berlin.
https://carnegieeurope.eu/strategiceurope/89949

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0:00.0

This is CBSI in the world. I'm John Bachelors. Tunisia, you will recall the beginning of

0:10.8

the so-called Arab Spring. More than a decade ago, began in Tunisia with the

0:16.5

devancerating of the Ben Ali dictatorship. Well, there's a new dictator in town to

0:21.8

read from the news about Tunisia. His name is Said. And most recently, the EU in

0:28.2

the person of Georgia Malone, the Prime Minister of Italy and Vandelaian, the head of the

0:34.1

European Commission, traveled to Tunisia to bargain with Said, the dictator of an

0:42.2

investment of devotion of a billion euros into Tunisia to create opportunity to

0:48.8

slow, at least that's the thinking, the Tunisians are seeking the EU at great

0:54.1

risk. Judy, the migration story dominates American political

0:59.1

conversation, but I don't not know if the Americans understand that migration is

1:04.6

a global story, global south-moving, the global north because of climate,

1:08.6

because of bad governance, because of the ability to get there, to travel. And the

1:15.0

story we have in Central America moving to the American border is a story that

1:19.5

Italy has and Greece has and France has moving from North Africa and Germany has

1:27.4

moving from North Africa or the Middle East to the European Union. Said, the

1:33.2

dictator in Tunisia, is he cooperating with Malone and Vandelaian? Does he want

1:38.7

this to be solved? He doesn't say much about it. He doesn't, he said he doesn't

1:44.6

want to be dictator too and Tunisia will not be the guardian and the keeper for

1:50.1

the Europeans. The real weakness of this deal that the EU Commission

1:58.0

President announced, from the line, on Sunday with the President of Tunisia and

2:06.0

Prime Minister of Italy, was actually quite important because they barely, they

2:13.4

mentioned human rights in a such a really context and the idea, they didn't say

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