It’s Not a Billionaire Ex-Wives Club After All
The Waves: Gender, Relationships, Feminism
Slate Podcasts
4.2 • 903 Ratings
🗓️ 24 June 2021
⏱️ 29 minutes
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Summary
This week’s episode of The Waves considers whether there is a uniquely feminist way to divorce your skeevy rich husband. Slate executive producer of podcasts, Alicia Montgomery, and business journalist and co-host of Slate Money, Emily Peck, delve into the stories of two billionaire women who have both recently ended their marriages—Melinda French Gates and MacKenzie Scott.
The two discuss whether French Gates and Scott bear any responsibility for the sins of their ex-husbands companies. They talk about the extent to which each woman worked to rehabilitate their partner’s image during their marriage, including unpacking French Gates’ obsession with telling the story of how she convinced her husband to drive their daughter to school (some of the time, at least).
Alicia and Emily also talk about whether there’s an expectation, just because they are women, that Scott and French Gates use the billions of dollars their husbands have amassed to better the world. And finally, they talk about how Gen Xers were taught to think about marriage and happy endings, and what we’ve learned about fairy tales.
In Slate Plus, Alicia and Emily talk about their gateways into feminism. For Alicia, it was a 1980’s romantic comedy from across the pond. For Emily, it was learning about what a hellscape maternity leave policies can be.
Recommendations
Fun fact: Emily is very interested in cults. If you want a deep dive into the Heaven’s Gate cult from the 1970s, she recommends the Pineapple Media podcast, Heaven’s Gate.
Did you develop a bad habit during the pandemic? Alicia recommends kicking those habits we adopted to stay sane during lockdown. She’ll be slowly cancelling all the streaming services she subscribed to because there are only so many times you can watch The Crown. (Probably.)
Podcast production by Cheyna Roth with editorial oversight by Susan Matthews and June Thomas. And additional production assistance from Rosemary Belson.
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening ad-free on Amazon Music. |
| 0:03.7 | This is the waves. |
| 0:05.7 | This is the waves. |
| 0:06.6 | This is the waves. |
| 0:07.9 | This is the waves. |
| 0:08.5 | This is the waves. |
| 0:09.6 | This is the waves. |
| 0:10.2 | This is the waves. |
| 0:14.2 | Welcome to the waves, Slate's podcast about gender, feminism, and today, money, big money. |
| 0:23.8 | Every episode, you get a new pair of women to talk about the thing that we can't get off our minds. |
| 0:28.7 | And today you've got me, Alicia Montgomery, executive producer of Slate Podcast. |
| 0:33.7 | And me, Emily Peck. |
| 0:34.9 | I'm a longtime business journalist and co-host of Slate's fabulous money podcast. |
| 0:41.1 | Yes, and today we're talking about if there's a uniquely feminist way to divorce your terrible for-landering rich husband and spend the billions of dollars he earned during your marriage. |
| 0:53.2 | And this is in the news because |
| 0:55.0 | two American women are facing this terrible, terrible problem that I wish I had. And that's |
| 1:01.1 | Mackenzie Scott. She's the ex-wife of Amazon founder Jeff Bezos and Melinda French Gates, |
| 1:07.1 | who is the soon-to-be ex-wife of Microsoft founder Bill Gates. And one of the reasons why I find |
| 1:13.9 | this intriguing is that as feminist, it's sometimes hard for us to talk about the fact that a lot of |
| 1:21.0 | women still get their money and power through their relationships with men, their husbands, most often, sometimes their fathers. |
| 1:30.5 | But, you know, if a woman gets credit for helping her husband build a tremendous fortune or a great |
| 1:37.9 | company, does she also have to take some responsibility for the people who he's hurt on his way to the top. Emily, |
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