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Hello and welcome to gayest episode ever, the podcast where we discuss the LGBTQ episodes of classic sitcoms. I'm Dreamacky. This is normally where my co-host Glenn would say, I'm Glenn Lakin. But Glenn is in a writer's room this week. So he's actually making the TV rather than just talking about other people's TV. So this means our guest gets promoted to co-host for this episode. And that person happens to be Stephen Kapsudo. Stephen, welcome back. Thanks, Drew. Great to be back. Stephen was our guest on our 108th episode, which is about the Tony Randall series, Love Sydney, the episode for which went live May 2021. Now he's back to discuss a more recent series. But first, a quick intro. Stephen is an LGBT historian, the author of

alternate channels, the uncensored story of gay and lesbian images on television, the lead consultant

for the recent Apple Plus documentary series visible out on television. And I'm guessing a champion

of a one-season wonder called It's All Relative. Well, it was a show I was rooting for at the time when it debuted in 2003.

And as I've been digitizing my old recordings, I found that I have rather a lot of

episodes of this.

And so it was fresh in my mind when we were talking about a show to look at.

I have to admit, this aired when I was in college.

So I wasn't really watching network TV aside from Simpsons and Saturday Night Live.

So I had some awareness that this had happened, but had never encountered it in person.

It's good.

So we're talking about the pilot, and traditionally, I don't like pilots because pilots have to do a lot of work of like, you know, setting the stage for where the rest of the series is going to be. This is a really good pilot. It is. And actually, the rest of the series was never quite up to the pilot again, but it was good. It was a fun show. And it was unusual at the time because, you know, it's 2003. It's the 21st century. We think, oh, in the 21st century,

gay characters on TV are no big deal. But you have to remember, this was only six years

after Ellen came out, right? And remember how people freaked out over that, right? The fact that

the lead character on a sitcom, on a network owned by Disney was going to be a lesbian and she was

going to have a girlfriend and she was going to have a

girlfriend and just played by, people were, you know, tearing up their Disney toys and

sending them back to the Walt Disney Corporation, you know, because they were violating family

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