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Craig Unger is joining me in the studio.

He is the author of House of Trump House of Putin.

Now, before we begin, I want to tell you a story,

a personal story about someone you'll hear me talk about with Craig, Felix Sater.

So I hope you recognize this name.

Felix Sater is the kind of Skurvy Street kid who came from the Soviet Union to Brooklyn in the 70s.

His dad was sort of a vice president in the Russian mafia.

Felix was a smart guy.

He got in trouble, got an a pump and dump scheme, $40 million stock fraud.

But to get out of that, he became a criminal informant.

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