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All right, welcome to Season 2 of Sons of Patriarchy, as we've talked about the beginning

of each episode.

Season one, if you could say, was more particularly focused on Doug Wilson and those around

his orbit, where he comes from, where the movements come from, where Christian nationalism

comes from, where some of the more modern ideas, recent ideas of patriarchy have come from as well,

their roots, their history, and then also kind of their modern manifestations as well. So that's

season one, season two is all about, okay, now that we've seen this, now that we know what's happening after the election, everything else, and after the rise of Christian nationalism politically and nationally, it's what do we do about it? How do we respond to this? So we've had experts on, most of season two is experts in this field, or those who've been

through this as well, those who've written in this area as well.

And then one of those, even if she wouldn't call herself an expert, I'll call her an expert,

is Rachel Darnel, and we will hear from her.

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