Welcome to another change-making conversation from Baptist News Global. You're listening to a special podcast series titled Highest Power, Church and State, featuring writer, poet, and musician Rick Pidcock. Now here's Rick.

By now you've probably heard the audio clips from CNN's trip to Moscow, Idaho to interview

the leaders of Doug Wilson's Christ Church.

I'd like to see the town, be a Christian town. I'd like to see the state be a Christian state. I'd like to see the town, be a Christian town, like to see the state be a Christian state,

like to see the nation, be a Christian nation, and I'd like to see the world be a Christian world.

So every society is theocratic.

The only question is who's Theo?

In a secular democracy, it would be Deimos, the people.

In a Christian republic, it'd be Christ. Women are the

kind of people that people come out of. In my ideal society, we would vote as households. And I would

ordinarily be the one that would cast the vote, but I would cast the vote having discussed it

with my household. And there were also people who own slaves who were decent human beings and didn't mistreat

them.

Exiling homosexuals.

And the scripture praises both men for doing that, which means that the requirement for

the death penalty that does exist in Leviticus, that requirement was not a minimum penalty, but was a maximum

penalty because Scripture praises the kings who didn't execute the homosexuals. They just shut the

orgy down. They just shut the party down. So there is latitude in the application of biblical law, there is latitude in how it's applied.

When I first began ministering as a Christian minister, I was grown, an adult, and preaching

the gospel.

Sodomy was a felony in all 50 states.

The clips have garnered a lot of reaction over the past week,

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