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Just a heads up, there is a bit of strong language in this episode.

Iris, how are you doing?

You know, I want to say that, I don't know even what to answer to this question because things are very bad at the moment.

Iris Zaki is an Israeli filmmaker. I called her up to talk about a documentary

she just released with survivors of last month's Hamas attacks. But very

quickly our conversation became about Iris's own feelings.

You're in Tel Aviv now?

I'm in Tel Aviv. We have rocket sirens almost every day. There are drones above our heads and you know

helicopters. So everything is both crazy and kind of like a routine of this craziness.

But I'm very worried and very sad.

For a decade now, Iris has made these beautiful little films about Israeli life.

In one, she worked at an Arab hair salon in her mixed hometown, and she talked politics with her clients.

In another, she sought out very conservative Israelis, people she totally disagreed with, and tried to convince them to have coffee with her.

Her latest film is more straightforward, more gutting.

She goes to a Tel Aviv hotel that's full of survivors of the October 7th attacks, most from a single

cabots just beyond the Gaza fence. She speaks to them about how and if they're beginning to pick up the pieces.

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