Now just before the International Court of Justice made its first ruling, its provisional orders back in January, I spoke to my brilliant yesterday, Dr Alonzo Gendi, who is a superb lecture of international relations at King's College London. Someone who threw out this horror, I've always looked to for his huge insight, uh, obviously massive incircumpedic knowledge of international law

and just in terms of the detail,

share level of detail, knowledge, insight, and this is someone you really have to listen to,

as those who will remember the discussion we had

back in January can attest to.

So I love it, it's great to speak to you again,

how you do? Thanks, Owen, it's great to speak to you again. How you did?

Thanks, Owen.

It's great to be here.

It's great to be back.

I just want to start.

I mean, when I spoke to it was interesting because where we were at,

I mean, it feels like a lifetime away. And and that's five over it was about five months ago just

less than five months ago and we were waiting on the National Court of Justice's ruling. A lot has happened since.

We've had the International Court of Justice itself making

provisional subsequent provisional orders but the most latest being to order

Israel to cease its military offensive in Raffer and well, I'll talk a bit about that, because that was pro-Israel people tried to spin that, but of course as well,

critically, the International Criminal Courts Chief Prosecutorim Khan, made requests for arrest warrants for

Netanyahu and his defense minister Yov Galan, which was still waiting for those requests to be accepted.

I just want to say, I mean, in terms of what's happened since then this strikes me what people need to just be talking more about as Israel has suffered a

Calamitous strategic defeat notwithstanding the terrible ruin it's inflicted and Gazam will continue to inflict.

Yeah, look I think if I compare where I was when we had our first conversation to now, I wouldn't have dream

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