Now in the European elections the far right I'm afraid to say did very very well indeed and if we look for example at France where

Macron the president he technically well kind of rights interest president has called for national elections the French

for right are in poll position doesn't look great now putting this in the context of talking about Israel might seem a bit odd, but it isn't because Israel has, because we need to talk about the dynamics within Europe vis-à-vis what's going on in Gaza and Israel that matters a lot.

And the Israeli state has made it clear that it sees the European far-right as its allies.

You can see the same in terms of the American

far right, Donald Trump et al.

I think this is a really fascinating topic

and there's no better person to speak to you

about this in Rachel Shabby, who is the,

well, a brilliant journalist and writer writer but I am unbelievably excited about

upcoming book off white at the truth about anti-semitism which everybody must pre-order

immediately and I personally can't wait just Rachel is always full of moral clarity, humanity as well as obviously huge

amounts of wisdom and knowledge. What a combination? And I saw Rachel tweeting about

this topic and then I was like we need to talk about it.

And what Rachel treated was Israeli government ties, the European Far-Wight is win-win, Israel

gets allies willing to deflect criticism of the treatment of Palestinians.

The far-right gets a fig leaf which still raiding anti-semitism.

Hello, how are you?

Hi, thanks so much for having you on and for such a generous welcome.

It was, if anything, understated.

Now, yeah, just in terms of just a step back,

I mean, the far right con took over Europe

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