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to see what you're missing. Thanks. It's Tuesday, February 20th, 204, and welcome back to Goodfellows, a Hoover Institution

broadcast examining social, economic, political, and geopolitical concerns.

I'm Bill Whalen.

I'm a Hoover Distinguished Policy Fellow.

I'll be our moderator today. Join as usual by two of my colleagues, the historian Neil

Ferguson and the economist John Cochran, Neil and John are Hoover Senior Fellows. Ordinarily,

H.R. McMaster rounds out our conversation, but the good general can't join us today, so we

will soldier on, pun intended without him him thanks in great part to our wonderful

guest today dan senor dan is the host of the call me back podcast and author of two terrific books on

israel 2009 startup nation and the genius of israel which was published last november dan in a

past life was the cedar advisor to paul brimmer and the u.s lead coalition provisional authority in

bagdad and a pedagon advisor to the u.s.-led coalition provisional authority in Baghdad and a Pentagon

advisor to the U.S. Central Command in Qatar. Dan, thanks ever so much for joining us today.

Great to be with you guys. I'm a longtime listener and fan, first-time guests, although I will say

several of your hosts have been on my podcast, which means there's one man left out here,

which I'll make my case to Professor Cochran later on to come onto the Comic Back

podcast. But we've had HR and we've had Neil.

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