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forward slash voucher. Hello and welcome to Coffee House shots, spectators daily politics

podcast. I'm Isabel Hardman and this is The Sunday Roundup. Liz Trusts made waves in the

world of politics today claiming in a telegraph essay that the powerful economic establishment

and a lack of political support had prevented her from enacting her policies.

Laura Koonberg pressed business secretary Grant Shaps on whether he agreed with any of Trusts' claims.

She does grant Shaps here a bit about the communication should have been better,

but she has a pretty stinging verdict actually on your whole party, saying the conservatives

failed for years to lay the groundwork to make the right arguments. I mean when you were sitting

across the cabinet table from her, were you thinking, hold on, we're getting this all a bit wrong,

Liz, can you slow down, put your seat belts on, this might be the wrong way to go about it,

or were you quite happy to go along with it? Well, we'd already at this stage, this is in the

last six or seven days of the government. We'd seen the impact on the markets. Shia, I wasn't

part of her initial administration. But did you agree with that vision? Did you take a job as

home secretary? I thought actually at that point in time there was a moment of sort of almost national

duty to be doing one of the most important roles in terms of the security of the nation

and very much to go on on that. But I also sort of wished a lucky, you know, your question is,

in my heart, do I think we should have a lower tax economy? The answer, yes, absolutely.

My question is, in your heart, do you think that Liz Truss' approach was the right one?

Well, clearly it wasn't. Clearly it wasn't. And was she wrong then to write this morning that the

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