Ted Audio Collective.

Audio Collective.

Obviously, you shouldn't say that to an 8-year-old.

It was a defining moment in my life.

But I'd be lying if I said it was all hardship

It was very sad very wounding, but in a way it was also freeing

From the TED audio frame. For 18 years Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative people about what they do, how they got to be who they are and what they're thinking about and

working on. On this episode Isaac Fitzgerald talks about growing up poor and about his coming of age memoir.

I was like, oh yeah, but they're jerks, they're rich, like I have this real class chip on my shoulder.

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As long time listeners know, I do a lot of research for this

podcast. I go deep on internet searches. I read, listen, and transcribe

other interviews. I try and unearth forgotten early work. I don't call my guests, friends, or

parents, or former teachers, but by the time I interview someone I feel like I

know they're friends and parents and former teachers. Research is something I love most about creating this

podcast almost as much as the actual interview. This week my guest made it a

little bit easier for me.

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