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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

Is Trump Causing White Terrorism?

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

New York Times Opinion

New York Times, Journalism, News, Society & Culture, Ross Douthat

4.07.2K Ratings

🗓️ 21 March 2019

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

How much blame does President Trump’s deserve for New Zealand’s white-supremacist mosque shooting? Jamelle Bouie joins hosts Ross Douthat, Michelle Goldberg and David Leonhardt for a debate about xenophobic ideology, internet troll culture and their connection to hate crimes. Later, they turn to whether college admissions can ever be a fair system, and what can be done about meritocracy, elitism and college sports recruitment. For background reading on this episode, visit nytimes.com/theargument.

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0:00.0

I'm Michelle Goldberg.

0:01.4

I'm Ross Daffa.

0:02.4

I'm David Lee and Hart, and this is the argument.

0:05.5

This week, is President Trump causing white supremacist terrorism or is he a red herring?

0:11.2

This kind of violence precedes Trump.

0:14.4

Then, what does a fair college admission system look like?

0:18.4

There were still efforts by these schools to not admit exclusively the stupidest heirs of shitting families.

0:25.0

And finally, a recommendation.

0:27.0

It is one of the great scams of our age.

0:33.5

In an interview last week, President Trump suggested that his supporters might resort to violence if they didn't get their way.

0:39.0

Two days later, a gunman killed at least 50 people in two mosques in New Zealand.

0:44.0

And the suspected killers manifesto cited Trump's friendliness to white nationalism.

0:49.0

Today, we want to talk about whether it's fair to draw a connection between Trump and white nationalist violence.

0:55.0

Is he part of the problem?

0:56.5

Or is he a symptom of an underlying illness?

0:59.3

To talk about this and more, our colleague, Jamel Buie, is calling in from Charlottesville, Virginia.

1:04.0

Welcome back to the show, Jamel.

1:05.5

Thank you for having me.

1:07.0

And hello, Michelle and Ross.

1:08.5

Hey there.

1:09.0

Hey, David.

1:10.0

Jamel, how do you think about the state of the white supremacy movement right now?

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