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Registered reference number 900846. This is it's in sleep work repeat. It's a podcast about workplace culture, psychology and life.

Hello, I'm Bruce Tasley.

I'm Ellen Scott.

I'm Matt.

But this week we've got a interview episode and so we're trying to alternate these between

work chats and interviews and this week we've got an interview which I think is for one for

People who are really interested in the mechanics about workplace culture and it's a discussion that I set up and I think

simultaneously you'd already had an interest in this discussion Matt this is with a

guy called Donald Saul and he teaches at MIT. He's a professor at Massachusetts

Institute of Technology, specializing in trying to understand the behavior of groups and alongside his work there he's he

set up an organization called Culture X actually with his son where they they take an AI approach to try to compare notes

between how culture in organization is talked about and the realities of it.

So he's going to go into the methodology, they effectively scraped the internet for what employees

of organizations are talking about.

You'd already been exposed to this, I think, Matt, when we'd set this up.

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