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Animal Spirits Podcast

Is this worse than 2008? (EP.130)

Animal Spirits Podcast

The Compound

Investing, Business News, Business, News

4.72.1K Ratings

🗓️ 18 March 2020

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

On this week's show we discuss working from home, the enormous impact the coronavirus is having on the economy, how people's lives are changing in a hurry, turmoil in bond ETFs, the differences between now and 2008 and much more. Find complete shownotes on our blogs... Ben Carlson’s A Wealth of Common Sense Michael Batnick’s The Irrelevant Investor Like us on Facebook And feel free to shoot us an email at animalspiritspod@gmail.com with any feedback, questions, recommendations, or ideas for future topics of conversation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Today's Animal Spirits is brought to you by our friends at Why Charts. I was looking recently at some data in the credit markets on Why Charts, looking at the option adjusted high yield spread, which is just the difference in the interest rates

0:14.3

between what you're yielding on a high yield or junk bond

0:17.0

and it diversified holding of those

0:18.6

versus what you're yielding on a basket of high quality U.S.

0:22.0

treasuries. And that has blown out in the last month by

0:26.8

almost 5% I guess almost 4% I went from 3.5 to 7.3 and

0:31.7

surprisingly not quite as high as it was in 2016, not nearly as much as 2008,

0:36.4

but that's a big blowout in a hurry.

0:38.6

Especially with rates so low.

0:40.6

So you had about three years worth of yields or something like that whatever it is ripped out in about three weeks

0:46.5

J&K is down roughly 14% in a 40% drawdown I thought this was a good way to show people that chasing

0:54.9

yield has actually worked fairly well in recent years and it's actually probably

0:59.2

been a good strategy to do but eventually that risk and return that comes to and this is one of those

1:04.8

times where high yields is just getting massacred and that's sort of what happens when you go for

1:10.3

the higher yield you have that higher risk as well. So all of these periods have been buying opportunities. You look back in time, you look at the charts. I forget who said this. Maybe it was Adam Smith said statistics tell a rather

1:25.1

bloodless tale and what he meant by that was you don't get the experience by

1:28.9

looking at a chart because while all of these appear to be buying opportunities with the benefit of hindsight,

1:34.5

in real time they're really freaking scary.

1:37.4

And it's very easy to say be fearful when others are greedy.

1:40.4

It's entirely something else to actually live that.

1:44.0

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1:48.0

If you're going to be sitting at home and need some new research,

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