Welcome back to the Ruck, the journalist rugby podcast from The Times and the Sunday Times.

And the breaking news from us here is that we're a bas-ball-free zone today, everyone.

But like Ben Stokes' dressing room, there's no place for the week on the Ruck.

However, unlike the England cricket team, we certainly haven't

over-prepared. Have we Alex Lowe? No. I think that would be breaking tradition if we'd over

prepare for the Ruck. I mean, I just said, Basbaw-Free Zone, but that's a remarkable thing to say.

Was he just taking the Mickey, Brendan McCullum, saying,

because all the chat around that of the... Have you done enough prep and he said,

are, if anything, Clive, we've overprepared.

He probably was.

I thought Ben Stokes' reaction was way better,

much more on point.

Yeah.

And much more accurate.

If you'd actually watched the four days of cricket

and unfolded it, and the two days in Perth

where it's those moments.

We've talked about it for the England rugby team for the last year.

It's the moments when the game's on the line, how do you react?

And the England cricket team have just lost their heads in all those moments and

the England rugby team were doing the same.

And at least the rugby team seemed to have corrected it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've tumbled on Tehran, I haven't even introduced Alex Lowe here, if you have noticed. And Elgin Alderman is also here. Sitting here for the silent W in England and Wales cricket board as per. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll leave the cricket chat to Athas, Simon Wilde and Lizzie Hammam because we've got to talk about loads of rugby, haven't we?

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