Welcome back to the Ruck, the journalist rugby podcast from The Times, where this week we're going to put the world to rights on a few hot button issues.

Alex loads alongside me to talk about the Champions Cup and how to fix that scrums and how to fix them.

The perennial promotion and relegation engulfs the champ and prim conversation,

how to fix that? So Alex, are you ready? Bop the builder? Yeah, I've got ready. Big,

topic. Let's go. Yeah, absolutely. We're going to delve into the European Cup stuff first,

and then later on the poll, we've got cast tighthead, Will Collier, formerly of Harlequins in England,

joining us after we wrote a lovely column

about all about saving our scrums, but we had to have a third wheel for this, particularly after

one of the great European cut results for Glasgow Warriors against Toulouse. Mark Palmer, fresh

from a Scottish victory. We usually get you on to say, oh, no, Scotland have lost again. But this time you're smiling, Mark. Exactly. No foresmortem today, a much more positive inquest for once. So yeah, pleasure to be with there, as always, chance. Yeah, great to have you. And let's start there, because, like, as usual, the Champions Cup cup has issues which we'll get on to but

sometimes you just have to go that was a properly good like that would have been a great

night in the hynigan cup whatever whenever we look back with misty eyes about what it used to be

that was absolutely amazing wasn't it 21 nil down and beat to lose absolutely and you know and

pretty much full noise to lose as well,

which again, we'll get into later, no doubt,

about the weekend sides debate.

But, you know, that was a galaxy of stars

beside the leisure centre at Scotson,

somewhat incongruously.

But, and as you say,

first half, to lose, you know, ripped it up.

They did everything that we'd expected them to do, that power and Pannash sort of

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