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business forever forward. Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlove and I am very excited

to have Sarah Longwell from the bulwark, the publisher there, host of the focus group podcast.

I have had a crush on you for a while. I've told Tim about this. I had access to Tim. And now I have access to you, which is very exciting. Thank you for joining me.

I appreciate that. You know why? Because most people come to me and tell me

that they have a crush on Tim, which is deeply annoying for me. Oh, you're not into it. Or you're just sick of it now. Like at first it was cool and now it's like, she's not that great. I mean, like, Tim's fine, but like I'm standing right here. It is. I get that a lot. People are like, oh what's it like with with if they're conservative, they're like, what's Jesse like or what's Greg like? Or like, what's Scott really like? I'm like, he's fucking telling you what he's really like all the time. Yeah, you see it. He's literally Tim's never not on camera at this point. So like that is the guy. I've known him since we were in our early 20s. He's just always been like that.

Only he used to have fake glasses. Other than that, he's the same.

They were fake? Well, so he, before he was out, he and I worked together, like in a Republican world,

and he would wear, like, a suit to make him look like a big boy and fake glasses that were, you know, not prescription

so that he would look like a grown-up because he actually, you know, he has the physique of like a 12-year-old boy.

Which as we age, I'm more and more jealous of that.

Oh, yeah.

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