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Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov

Is it Time to Abolish ICE?

Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov

Prof G Media / Vox Media

Politics, News Commentary, News

4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 16 January 2026

⏱️ 20 minutes

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Summary

ICE continues to terrorize cities in America. Jessica Tarlov and Aaron Parnas break down the escalating federal occupation in Minneapolis following the fatal shooting of Renée Nicole Good, the protests that followed, and the growing standoff between state and federal authorities. They dig into whether rogue ICE agents ever face real accountability, what meaningful reform of the agency could look like, and what the chaos means for DHS Secretary Kristi Noem. Then, the talk about whether Donald Trump is actually trying to calm tensions with Iran — or deliberately keeping every option on the table? And as Trump clashes with Denmark and Greenland, what leverage does the U.S. really have? Finally, two weeks into his term, they check in on the Mamdani administration and what his early moves signal for New York City. Follow Jessica Tarlov, @JessicaTarlov.  Follow Prof G, @profgalloway. Follow Raging Moderates, @RagingModeratesPod. Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@RagingModerates  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlov, and it's Friday. So, Aaron Parnas, I have in my script, Gen Z sensation. How do you feel about that? No, abort mission. Let's try it.

0:12.5

Oh, prolific substacker. There we go. We're back. Aaron, how has your week been?

0:18.2

Long, long, chaotic, crazy, long. Aren't we supposed to be able to, like, at the beginning of the year, like, stop drinking and go to the gym? And I feel like I'm drinking. Actually, someone told me, oh, not just someone, my husband, sorry, a special someone, was like, someone, a friend of ours said, oh, you know, how is motherhood change you? And he just, from another

0:38.4

room is like, she drinks more. How has the Trump administration changed you? He drinks more.

0:44.6

Literally. My liver is suffering because of this man. All right. In today's episode, we're going to

0:50.1

talk about how ice could be reformed, whether rogue ice agents will ever face accountability

0:53.9

and what this all means for Christian Home. Want to do some foreign policy, too, talking about the Iran crisis and whatever is going on with Greenland. And two weeks into his term, we'll check in on the Mamdani administration. So let's start with Minneapolis. The protests, I don't know, I don't even want to say they're wildly out of control, because that would imply that this is all the protesters' fault. The clashes have been

1:14.8

dominating everyone's social media feeds and the news. Tons of tragedy. Trump administration says

1:20.3

the agent that killed Renee Nicole Good acted in self-defense. He's blocked Minnesota's access

1:25.5

to evidence and sent hundreds more federal officers

1:28.0

into the city, which led to another shooting on Wednesday night. Local prosecutors say charges

1:32.8

aren't impossible, but the legal and political barriers are very steep. You know, given the video

1:37.4

evidence, which thankfully there is plenty of it, and I like that the folks in Minnesota

1:41.6

are encouraging everyone to record everything that's going on.

1:44.6

But how realistic is it, do you think, that ICE agents in these situations ever face charges?

1:49.7

Almost never. And I think actually, I don't know if you saw this, but in New York, Governor Hokel is actually pushing for legislation to allow citizens in ICE encounters to civilly sue ice agents. Because even getting a civil

2:03.5

lawsuit right now against an ice agent that in one of these situations is very difficult given

2:08.2

immunity related issues. They don't have absolute immunity, but they have qualified immunity.

2:12.4

And I think that's another argument that a lot of legal experts have that at this point,

2:16.9

like we need to take a look at the qualified immunity doctrine. We should have for a long time. And it's actually funny, Clarence Thomas himself, one of the most conservative justice on the Supreme Court, is not a fan of qualified immunity. So I think that we may see some movement there, but getting charges against ICE agents right now, good luck. Yeah, I actually didn't know that about Hockel, and's good. I feel like she has had an incredible search of the year and we'll talk about that. A bit more in the Mom Dani section. She, you know, she's like Gavin Newsome, challenge accepted. Like, let's go over here in New York. President Hokel? I'm kidding. I don't know. No, but like... You never know. You never know. Donald Trump was reelected to a second term as president. So no, you never know about these things. Going back to what you're saying about, you know, good luck getting actual charges against an ICE officer. I have been so disheartened to see the lack of interest in the federal government and working with local law enforcement gathering evidence for those on the ground who actually know what's going on there. And a lot of people who are even observers to this. And Brian O'Hara, the police chief in Minneapolis, has talked about this. He's like, our cops are there all the time because actually ICE is doing the jobs we're supposed to do. Like, ICE actually can't enforce traffic laws or do anything. Like, they're literally there to pick up bad hombres and then they're supposed to do. Like ICE actually can't enforce traffic laws or do anything. Like they're literally

3:24.7

there to pick up bad hombres and then they're supposed to get out, but they're acting as judge,

3:30.3

jury, and executioner in some cases and all of this. And the federal government, they're pushing

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