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Into the Impossible With Brian Keating

Is There A WAR On Science? Lawrence Krauss - #505

Into the Impossible With Brian Keating

Brian Keating

Physics, Natural Sciences, Science

4.71.1K Ratings

🗓️ 30 July 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Please join my mailing list here 👉 https://briankeating.com/list to win a meteorite 💥 In a sweeping conversation sparked by his new book The War on Science, Lawrence Krauss charts how well-intentioned campus DEI bureaucracies, politicized funding mandates, and “language-as-violence” taboos are eroding the core scientific virtues of open inquiry and empirical scepticism, while drawing historical parallels from Lysenkoism to today’s hiring rubrics and challenging listeners to defend freedom of thought with the same passion they reserve for social justice. He then pivots from diagnosis to remedy, outlining a five-point rescue plan—slashing ideological litmus tests, restoring merit-based evaluation, insulating grant agencies from mission creep, teaching students to steel-man opposing views, and benchmarking success against China’s unencumbered research surge—arguing that only by re-centering evidence over ideology can science remain humanity’s most reliable truth-seeking enterprise. — Key Takeaways:  00:00 Intro  01:04 The most dangerous idea threatening science today 02:35 The role of universities and academic freedom  10:26 Tenure and indirect costs in academia  14:58 Sanctions against free speech  17:39 The problem with tuition  18:42 Decolonializing STEM  23:57 What Trump is doing to address these issues  28:03 Free market education? 36:46 Judging a book by its cover 38:44 The distortion of science during COVID  44:12 Inequality in science  48:43 If Lawrence were president of the US  52:33 Audience questions  55:28 Outro — Additional resources:  📚 The War On Science by Lawrence Krauss: https://a.co/d/6ntEbll  — ➡️ Follow me on your fav platforms: ✖️ Twitter:⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/DrBrianKeating⁠⁠  🔔 YouTube:⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/DrBrianKeating?sub_confirmation=1⁠⁠  📝 Join my mailing list:⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://briankeating.com/list⁠⁠  ✍️ Check out my blog:⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://briankeating.com/cosmic-musings/⁠⁠  🎙️ Follow my podcast:⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://briankeating.com/podcast⁠⁠  — Into the Impossible with Brian Keating is a podcast dedicated to all those who want to explore the universe within and beyond the known. Make sure to follow/subscribe so you never miss an episode! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

There is no systemic racism in university.

0:02.0

Universities used to be the most tolerant varmints and the most enlightened environments for that reason.

0:07.0

And to pretend that they're not, and to point out every single problem and suggest that its basis must be in racism or sexism without presenting evidence.

0:16.0

It's not what you should be doing.

0:17.0

Some ideas are heretical and should not be talked about, but nothing is heretical in science. Things are heretical in religion. If you say that ideas are too dangerous, then we're back at Galileo. It's too dangerous to say the Earth orbits the sun. 80% of them wrote under pseudonyms because they were afraid. That sounds like the Stasi in East Germany or the KGB in Russia. One of his colleagues said, you should stop talking about EDI. You've got a family. He said, think about your kids. That sounds

0:42.7

like the mafia. It sounds like sopranos, not a university. Someone who was academically unqualified

0:48.3

to be president, who was hired for identity reasons. We analyzed using ChatGPT,

0:53.3

all National Science Foundation grants from

0:55.4

2023 and looked at the words like diversity, equity, inclusion, et cetera, et cetera, and looked

0:59.7

at them. And we got about $800 million, was going towards these things that weren't science.

1:04.0

Lawrence Krause, what is the single most dangerous idea that's threatening science today?

1:10.4

I think it's the idea that some ideas are

1:12.1

heretical and should not be talked about and the people who talk about them should be dispensed

1:17.0

with. I think that's probably the biggest obstacle to science because science is based on

1:22.2

not only open inquiry, but it's a social kind of. It's based on being able to speak and have your

1:27.4

ideas attacked and

1:28.6

then defend them but nothing is heretical in science things are heretical in religion things are

1:32.7

not heretical in science and they shouldn't be yeah i mean there's so much in this book that i

1:37.1

quite frankly felt depressed i felt this is a book laurence correct me if i'm wrong but you've been

1:41.8

on the podcast five times now. I feel like this is

1:44.5

the book that you wished you didn't have to write. Am I wrong? Oh, absolutely. I wish I didn't have

1:49.9

to talk about this at all. Yeah. And I got around it by helping other people write part of it for me.

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