The person discovers that this part that they've been heaping shame on and exiling and rejecting and so on is actually not what they thought it was.

You know, and they actually, I've seen it over, I can't tell you how many times, where all of a sudden they're like, I didn't know, I didn't know what really know this part.

I couldn't love this part of me until now.

Now I can see it and bring, like our inner most self

when we connect with that, in order to connect with that,

you kind of have to like have every part, no parts blended.

We kind of have to, there's a process to like sift it away

to get to that core.

And when that, when our spiritual center,

when our, in most self is able to engage

with this shamed, bad part,

there's so much compassion that comes and flows.

So I was talking with a lady recently who had clearly listened to maybe every single kind of therapeutic

podcast in the world or it so appeared to me as she was talking.

Right.

She was talking about inner child and parts and all this. And I'm sympathetic to all of it.

And I'm not meaning to sound critical. But as she was sitting there discussing all this and

our blessed Lord didn't really come up. I began to wonder if this therapeutic

culture, what do I mean by that? I guess I mean a day in which there's no, it doesn't seem like

there's much of a stigma around therapy as there perhaps used to be. But it made me a little

worried because I thought, well, hang on, what she's saying doesn't really sound like the saints,

doesn't really sound like the church fathers,

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